GRAVES FAMILY BULLETIN

 

Vol. 14, No. 9, Sept. 29, 2012

 

A Free, Occasional, Online Summary of Items of Interest to Descendants of all Families of Graves, Greaves, Grieves, Grave, and other spelling variations Worldwide

 

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CONTENTS

 

** General Comments

** Special DNA Testing Offer from Family Tree DNA

** Autosomal DNA Charts on the GFA Website, and Some Ways They Can Help You

** Misleading and Incorrect Information in Genealogies

** New YouTube Video Channel from FTDNA

** To Submit Material to this Bulletin & Other Things

 

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GENERAL COMMENTS

 

This issue is especially about autosomal DNA testing, including the FTDNA sale for their Family Finder test, and some of the recent charting effort to use autosomal testing to show Graves and Greaves ancestry.

 

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SPECIAL DNA TESTING OFFER FROM FAMILY TREE DNA

 

Family Tree DNA is offering a special, limited-time sale to entice present customers to upgrade and to try to get new customers.  The prices are good, and I doubt that they will be repeated soon.  I especially recommend the Family Finder test.  It tests for all your ancestral lines at least 5 or 6 generations back, and can often be used to determine Graves/Greaves ancestry and other specific ancestry much farther back, as discussed elsewhere in this issue of the GF Bulletin.

 

 They sent a notice to all present customers saying: “It seems every time we run a flash sale a few people e-mail us days later, they were traveling, sick or just had not looked at their e-mails in time, so for all of you who want to entice a friend, neighbor or reluctant relative to get involved in Genetic Genealogy here's one more opportunity, but it will last for only 72 hours.

 

We are gearing this sale for newcomers and upgrades by promoting the Family Finder and the Full Mitochondria Sequence (FMS). This sale starts Friday, September 28, at 12:00 am and ends Sunday, September 30, at 11:59 PM.”  (This is Central U.S. time.)

 

 

 

New Kits

Current Price

SALE PRICE

Family Finder

$289

$199

mtFullSequence

$299

$199

Family Finder + mtFullSequence

$559

$398

Upgrades

Current Price

SALE PRICE

Family Finder

$289

$199

HVR1 to mtFullSequence

$269

$199

HVR2 to mtFullSequence

$239

$199

mtFullSequence

$289

$199

 

 

As with all promotions, orders need to be placed by the end of the sale and payment must be made by the end of this sale.  For more information, click here.

 

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AUTOSOMAL DNA CHARTS ON THE GFA WEBSITE, AND SOME WAYS THEY CAN HELP YOU

 

As all of you probably know by now, autosomal DNA testing is a technique to test the mixed DNA that we all inherit from both our mother and father, and from all our ancestral lines. It has the potential for a major impact on finding and proving ancestors and other relatives.  Although we can only count on it passing on DNA segments from 5 or 6 generations back, we sometimes find sizeable DNA segments from much farther back.  The chart for genealogy 270 shows examples of that, where DNA has been matched 9 generations back (8th cousins) and the Davenport chart goes back 11 generations (10th cousins).  The test results shown on the Davenport chart provided confirmation not only that Ann Davenport was the wife of Thomas Graves, born 1691, in genealogy 270, but also provided support for Martin Davenport as her brother, Davis Davenport and Ann Woodruff as her parents, and John Davenport as her grandfather.

 

APPLYING THIS EXAMPLE TO OTHER GENEALOGIES

The reason the two charts mentioned above were able to show the ancestries and relationships mentioned is because many tests were run on descendants from many lines.  Many of the tests showed no matching for the Graves or the Davenport lines, which was expected when trying to find matches so far back.  It appears, however, that if enough descendants are tested on enough different lines, matches will probably be found very far back.

 

One genealogy where this technique should be used is for genealogy 169 for Capt. Thomas Graves.  We should be able to show that his wife was indeed a Croshaw, and we should also be able to substantiate that all his stated children were indeed his children.  The marvelous characteristic of autosomal DNA testing is that it will work for males and females, and it doesn’t matter how they are descended from an ancestor.

 

We should also be able to determine (in many cases) how a Graves/Greaves family is descended from another by finding a match with a wife as well as her husband.  For instance, we might be able to show how genealogy 150 (James Graves and Mary Copeland of VA & GA) is descended from genealogy 220 (Francis Graves of VA), or confirm that genealogy 77 (John Graves and Margery Harvey of Randolph Co., NC) is really descended from genealogy 166 (and whether the other Graves families of Randolph Co., NC, are related to it or are descended from genealogy 220).  To make these discoveries and many others, however, we need your active help, and we need many more people to take autosomal DNA tests.

 

NEW AUTOSOMAL DNA CHARTS

Many new autosomal charts have been created and can be accessed from the Autosomal DNA page on the GFA website.  These include charts for genealogies 28, 65/168, 77, 83, 105, 116, 150, 152, 166, 168, 220, 247, 270, and others. These charts are only a beginning.  There aren’t yet nearly enough tests on the charts, and very few matches are presently shown.  We need everyone's help to add to the charts and to provide more information for additional charts. We suggest that everyone (both males and females) take this new test (Family Finder at Family Tree DNA and Relative Finder at 23andMe). You can sign up for the Family Finder test by scrolling down the main page of the GFA website to the DNA Study section and clicking on the link for "How to sign up."

 

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MISLEADING AND INCORRECT INFORMATION IN GENEALOGIES

 

There are two methods of determining ancestry.  One is to do traditional research and the other is to do DNA testing.  Neither is sufficient by itself.  They should be used together for best results.

 

Most people don’t really do research.  They just copy what someone else has done, with varying amounts of verification.  There has always been incorrect family tree information around, and the Internet has made it easier to find and repeat.  Many of the submitted genealogies on Ancestry.com and elsewhere have incorrect information, some extremely obvious, such as a child being born before his parents.  There is even some incorrect information in a few of the genealogies on the Graves Family Association website, although I hope there is very little of that.  We have worked very hard over the years to verify information by research and DNA testing, and we are continuing to improve the completeness and correctness of what is on the site.

 

See the previous article for some ideas about using DNA to find the ancestry of our Graves and Greaves ancestors.

 

ANCESTRY OF CAPT. THOMAS GRAVES OF VA (GEN. 169)

The information that I know about the family of Capt. Thomas Graves is summarized on the Ancestral Research page (under the Research tab at the top of every page of the GFA website).  At the bottom of that page is a list of “Specific Research Projects”, including one for Capt. Thomas Graves.  Perhaps the most common ancestry claimed for Capt. Thomas Graves is that he was a son of Thomas Graves and Joan Blagrove, both of Lamborne or Lambourn, Berkshire, England.  I have hired a couple of genealogists in England and Salt Lake City to try to find substantiation of this claim, and they could find nothing to support it.  I have asked many people who have included this ancestry in their family tree to provide a source, and no one has been able to do so.  If anyone can provide evidence of this ancestry, I would very much like to see it.  If there is no evidence, it should be removed from family trees.

 

ANCESTRY OF NEW ENGLAND GRAVES FAMILIES

Sometimes people see names that are the same, and dates and places that seem to match, and make unwarranted assumptions.  A recent example of that was the family tree of someone who is descended from John Graves of Concord, MA (gen. 166), who had his immigrant ancestor as the Thomas Graves of Hartford, CT (gen. 168), and then showed the ancestors of that Thomas Graves as those of Rear Admiral Thomas Graves of Charlestown, MA (gen. 28).  Errors like that can be avoided by being a bit more careful about checking facts.

 

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NEW YOUTUBE VIDEO CHANNEL FROM FTDNA

 

The world is changing very quickly, television seems to be moving to the Internet, and YouTube seems to be a serious contender for offering program content.  An interesting example of this is a new video channel on YouTube from Family Tree DNA.  You can see the channel by clicking here.  When I first looked, there were 8 videos, starting with a 28-minute “FTDNA – discover the story of you”, which seems to include the other 7.  You can also start the viewing on the FTDNA website here.

 

This is obviously part of FTDNA’s effort to reach a larger audience, and it includes some new pricing plans: (1) a time-pay plan where the balance isn’t due for 6 months, and (2) a 10% discount for paying up front.

 

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