Vol. 14, No. 8, Aug. 23, 2012


A Free, Occasional, Online Summary of Items of Interest to Descendants of all Families of Graves, Greaves, Grieves, Grave, and other spelling variations Worldwide




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** General Comments

** Special 72-hour DNA Testing Offer from Family Tree DNA

** Quaker Family of Northern Ireland and Delaware

** Making the Most of Your DNA Test Results

** How to Search the GFA Website

** To Submit Material to this Bulletin & Other Things






The main article in the issue is the announcement of a special DNA testing sale by Family Tree DNA for new customers only.  If you have never tested, I urge you to do it, especially if you are part of a genealogy where no one has been tested.


There are also some other articles that I hope will be of interest and help to you.






I just received an email from Family Tree DNA this morning about a 3-day sale they are running for new customers only.  This is an opportunity for those of you who have not yet taken a DNA test to take one at a reduced price.  Also, if you have relatives or friends who are interested, let them know.  Note that the offer ends this Saturday night, and tests must be paid for by then.


Even though the Y-DNA part of the test is only for 12 markers, this can be upgraded to 37 or 67 markers in the future, so it’s a good way to get started.


The FTDNA announcement says: “It seems that every time we run a super sale a few people email us days later that they were traveling, sick or just hadn't looked at their emails in time, so for all of you who have wanted to entice a friend, neighbor or reluctant relative to get involved in Genetic Genealogy here's one more opportunity, but it will last for only 72 hours.


At this time these are the only two options, and they are geared specifically for newcomers. This sale will end on Saturday, August 25, 2012 at 11:59PM (Central Daylight Savings Time).”


New Customers Only

Current Price


Family Finder + Y-DNA 12



Family Finder + mtDNA




As with all promotions, orders need to be placed by the end of the sale and payment must be made by end of this sale.



For more information, click here.  If you order from that page, be sure to join the Graves DNA project on FTDNA.  Better yet, go to the Graves Family Association website, click on the DNA tab at the top of the page, then click on “Order DNA Tests from FTDNA” at the bottom of the drop-down list, and then scroll down the page to the section for “Combined Tests for Male and Female Lines” where you will see the two tests available in this sale.  Click to order and follow the instructions.






The question was asked today by Charlotte Graves on the Graves Family Association Facebook page about participation in the Revolutionary War by descendants of the family of Thomas Graves of New Castle Co., Delaware (genealogy 85) to qualify for DAR membership.


This was a Quaker family and Quakers have always been opposed to war, so did not usually serve as soldiers, although some may have qualified as patriots by providing other support.


Nancy Lohbrunner responded with information about a Samuel Graves in her line in gen. 85.  Samuel Greave/Graves, b. 1746/1747, d. 1811, Private, 5th Class, Capt. John Garrett's Militia Company, Christiana Hundred, 1778 [Ref: C-1082].  Genealogical Abstracts from Biographical and Genealogical History of the State of Delaware by Bill and Martha Reamy, Pg 131-132, state that "Samuel served as a teamster in the Revolutionary army; farmer. Both he and his wife were members of the Society of Friends and buried in the Centreville Cemetery."  Let us know if you are aware of others.


For those who may be interested, there are records of descendants of this Quaker family serving in the American Civil War, but they may have no longer been Quakers by that time.  One other subject of interest to any of those descended from this family or related Grave/Greave/Greeves/etc. families of Northern Ireland is the possible descent from the MacGregor/Grierson family of Scotland. You can see a discussion of that on the GFA website. You can also see the related families on a section of the Charts page of the GFA.


The Quakers are more formally known as the Society of Friends.  This religious movement started in England in the mid-1600s, largely as the result of preaching by George Fox.  The founders envisioned it as the restoration of original Christianity, and like the first Christians were imprisoned, tortured, and executed for their beliefs.  In the 17th and 18th centuries, large numbers of Friends emigrated to the American Quaker colonies, where they formed prosperous settlements in New Jersey, Rhode Island, Delaware, North Carolina, and Pennsylvania.  Membership in England and Wales rose to about 60,000 in 1680, but had dropped to about 14,000 by 1860.


During the 19th century, American Friends split into three groups that still exist: Liberal, Pastoral, and Conservative Quakers. The unprogrammed Liberal Quakers maintain the traditional practice of meetings based on expectant silence, but most have abandoned Christianity to pursue various universalist philosophies. The neo-Protestant Pastoral Quakers introduced hired priests and programmed (pre-planned) worship services. They are very similar in look, practice, and belief to typical Protestant churches. The unprogrammed Conservative Quakers rejected both departures from the original vision and still retain the Christian beliefs and the waiting worship practiced by the original Friends. None of the surviving groups retain the wholeness of the original Quaker witness, which was a balance between relying on the Inward Light, identitifying the historical Jesus as the eternal Christ, committing to social activism, and focusing on Quaker (not just Christian) evangelizing. Each of the traditions left out something important.


The vast majority of the Friends today are Pastoral, and about half live in Bolivia, Guatemala, and Kenya. About 90,000 Liberal and Pastoral Quakers live in North America. Perhaps 400 practicing Conservative Friends live in Ohio, Iowa, and North Carolina, mostly in the same rural areas they have occupied for 200 years.   (Much of this discussion is from Wikipedia and Quakersonline.  A less scholarly but interesting discussion is at Early Quaker History.)


It has been stated by some that Quakerism was the dominate religion in colonial North America.  I have not been able to verify that, but it was definitely embraced by a large percentage of the population.  As in England, it underwent a dramatic decline in the 1800s.  It is estimated that membership in all the various branches of the Friends today is about 360,000, with about 118,000 of those in the U.S.






The following are some of the things you can do to make the most of your DNA test.  If you have any trouble with any of these, we can help you or possibly do it for you.


1.       Once your results have been received, upload your GEDCOM to your FTDNA home page. A GEDCOM is a standardized method of formatting your family tree data into a text file, which can be easily read and converted by any genealogy software program. Most genealogy programs, such as Family Tree Maker, provide you with the ability to create a GEDCOM. Your DNA results are most useful in partnership with your genealogical data.  To be most useful, your genealogical work must be shared.

a.       If you did testing through Family Tree DNA, login to Family Tree DNA using your FTDNA supplied login name and password

b.       You will then be at myFTDNA

c.       On the right hand side of the menu, look for the My Account menu. Right above it you might see a message that you have not uploaded your gedcom file yet and a link to upload it. OR you can look in My Account for Gedcom/FamilyTree link and follow the instructions there.
(1) Create a GEDCOM file on your computer with your genealogy program
(2) Go to your personal page on FTDNA.
(3) Select GEDCOM/Family Tree
(4) Click “Choose File” next to “Upload a GEDCOM File”, and select the file to upload.
(5) Then click to orange upload button.

d.       When FTDNA talks about a combined gedcom, they are simply saying that instead of having one Gedcom for your YDNA and another for mtDNA, just make a gedcom for your line that includes both paternal and maternal lines and upload it.

e.       When you upload it, it will be available only within FTDNA and not visible to the public.

2.  Your Y-DNA results (if you have taken a Y-DNA test) have already been uploaded to  This is a free service that will allow you to compare your results with those of others who have tested with various companies. You can do this from your FTDNA home page.

3.  If you have taken a Family Finder test at FTDNA or a Relative Finder test at 23andME, you should upload your test results to GEDMatch.  Instructions on how to do that for Family Finder tests are here, and instructions for Relative Finder are here.  For more information about this, go to the GEDMatch site.  The main benefit of GEDMatch is that it will give you a list of people who have the same autosomal DNA matches as you.






If you are looking for a person or anything else on the Graves Family Association website, I suggest you try the two different search programs on the Graves Family Association website. To see them, just click on the green button at the top left of every page. The top one is a Google search that searches everywhere on the website, and the bottom one just searches the genealogies.





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