GRAVES FAMILY BULLETIN
Vol. 17, No. 2, Feb. 16,
2015
A
Free, Occasional, Online Summary of Items of Interest to Descendants of all
Families of Graves, Greaves, Grieves, Grave, and other spelling variations
Worldwide
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CONTENTS
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General Comments
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Grieve, Greive and Grieves Families and Ancestry
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Updates to the GFA Website
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Multiple Matches With Relatives and AncestryÕs Matching
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February is Black History Month in the U.S.
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How to Hire a Professional Genealogist
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Two Opportunities to Learn More About Your Irish Ancestors
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Which DNA Testing Company is the Best?
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EnglandÕs Immigrant Database, 1330-1550
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To Submit Material to this Bulletin & Other Things
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GENERAL
COMMENTS
For
those of you who really, really like snow, eastern Massachusetts is the place to
be right now. It seems as though it has snowed, at least a little, almost every
day for the past 3 weeks. We have
had a total of close to 6 feet of snow where we live. Great shoveling exercise! Another 3-5 inches is predicted
for tomorrow.
ThereÕs
no particular theme to this issue of the GF Bulletin, just a collection of
articles that I hope are interesting and helpful to you.
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GRIEVE, GREIVE
AND GRIEVES FAMILIES AND ANCESTRY
The
Graves Family Association includes all versions of the Graves/Greaves
surname. The spellings of Grieve,
Grieves, and Greive occur almost entirely in Scotland, and in Northumberland
and Durham, England. Sometimes the
spelling has changed to Graves or Greaves as families have migrated, but it is
not presently known to what extent people with different spellings are
related. It looks likely that many
with this surname are descended from Scottish clans, have used the clan name or
a subset of that, and therefore may match people of various surnames other than
Graves or Greaves.
The
Grieve and Grieves genealogies on the Graves Family Association website are the
following. The four asterisked
genealogies are the only ones with a Y-DNA test of a descendant.
¥
Gen. 40, Thomas Grieve and Anne Hamilton of Scotland
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Gen. 71, Walter Grieve and Janet Anderson of Roxburghshire, Scotland
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Gen. 142,Robert Grieve and Ellen Scott of Roxburghshire, Scotland &
IL
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Gen. 183, Robert Grieve and Agnes Ann Gillespie of Crail, Fife,
Scotland
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Gen. 196, Barny Grieves and Sarah Treece of Ireland & Ross Co., OH
¥
** Gen. 435, William Grieve and Ann Patterson of Ceres, Fife, Scotland
(genealogy not yet online)
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** Gen. 446, John Grieve of Dumfriesshire, Scotland (genealogy not yet
online)
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Gen. 637, William Thomas Grieves and Sarah Ann Cademy of
Northumberland, England
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** Gen. 745, Jacob Grieve of Stannington, Northumberland, England
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Gen. 852, William Greves/Grieves of Elizabeth City, Pasquatank Co., NC
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Gen. 854, Janet Grieve and William S. Hastie
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Gen. 855, Helen Grieve and ------ Fairbairn of Fife, Scotland
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Gen. 856, Edmund Grieves of England
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Gen. 857, Joseph Grieve and Anna Maria Greven Kamp
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Gen. 872, Peter Grieves and Isabella Russell of Scotland & OH
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Gen. 875, John Grieve and Agnes ------ of Scotland, NY & Nebraska
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Gen. 933, Andrew Grieves (or Greefs) of South Shields, Durham, England
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Gen. 949, James Grieve and Elizabeth Imrie of Co. Fife, Scotland
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Gen. 950, Walter Grieve and Margaret Laidly of Scotland
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Gen. 951, John Grieves of Durham and Northumberland, England
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Gen. 952, Abraham Grieve and Elizabeth ------ of Northumberland,
England
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** Gen. 953, William Grieve and Eleanor Turnbull of Northumberland,
England & York Co., New Brunswick, Canada
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Gen. 959, William Grieves of North Shields, Northumberland, England
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Gen. 970, John Grieves and Ann ------ of South Shields, Durham, England
As
noted above, there are only a few men with these names who have taken a Y-DNA
test so far and are part of the Graves DNA project. Those who have taken a Y-DNA test are:
¥
93203, Frederick Marvin Greaves, I-ungrouped, Gen. 745, Jacob Grieve of
Northumberland, b. 1700, No Y-DNA matches found, 1 match with Sven Carl Ernberg
at 12 markers in entire database
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147171, Larry Michael Grieve, R-Ungrouped, R-P311, Gen. 953, William
Grieve, 1799-1875, no matches with Grieve but matches with Grigsby, Walker and
others at 25 markers; at 12 markers matches with Lewis Michael Graves (unknown
genealogy) and Clyde Reginald Greaves (gen. 47)
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N118542, Larry Grieve, R-L200, James Grieve, b. 1793, d. 1877, Gen.
435, matches at 111 markers mostly with Dryden-Dreadin-Dreaden-Dreading from
Scotland, the only Graves was at 37 markers (Walter H. Graves)
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348502, Jamesey Grieve, R-P312, Adam Grieve, b. 1773, d. 1848, Gen.
446, matches Mark Richard Grieves at 37 markers
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N29659, Mark Richard Grieves, R-L200, Richard Grieves, 1941-2007,
matches at 37 markers with Jamesey Grieve and many Dryden names
It
appears from the above list of 5 testers that genealogies 745 and 953 are not
related to each other or to the other 3 testers. It also appears that the last 3 testers may all be related
to each other and part of the same genealogy, although Larry Grieve is not as
closely related, but does share the Dryden connection.
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UPDATES TO THE
GFA WEBSITE
GRAVES FAMILY BULLETIN
The
page on the GFA website for the Graves Family Bulletin has a new feature. (Move your cursor over the Products
drop-down tab to see the link for that page.) Toward the bottom of the page, for the links to the most
recent issues, I have added links to the table of contents for each issue. I thought this might make it easier to
quickly browse through the issues to see whether there might be any articles of
interest. Let me know if you think
this feature is helpful.
RESEARCH PROJECTS IN GFA
ANCESTRAL RESEARCH PROGRAM
There
have been some additions to the ÒSpecific Research ProjectsÓ section at the
bottom of the Ancestral Research Program page. (Move your cursor over the Research drop-down tab to see the link for that
page.) Additions have been made to
the pages for:
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Capt. Thomas Graves of VA
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Graves Families of Hertford/Harlow Area, Hartford, CT & VA
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Greaves Families of Beeley
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Graves Families of Lincolnshire, England & Lynn, MA
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Quaker Graves Families of Northern Ireland and Delaware
GFA MEMBERSHIP PAGE
This
page and the membership application have been updated. Both these documents had become a
little outdated, so they have been revised. Years ago, a major benefit of membership in the GFA was
receiving the printed newsletter in the mail. Now membership is largely a way to help defray a small
portion of the expenses involved in maintaining the website, updating
genealogies, doing research, and preparing to publish genealogies. Your support is always appreciated.
GENEALOGIES
Revised:
Gen.
141, John Graves and Martha Louisa Graves of Gloucester Co. & York Co., VA
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MULTIPLE
MATCHES WITH RELATIVES AND ANCESTRYÕS MATCHING
An
interesting article on this subject called ÒSecondary
Genealogical and Genetic LinesÓ is in the DNAeXplained blog by Roberta
Estes. Roberta defines a secondary
line as one not connected genetically to the first line. She points out the advantages of shaky
leaf matches on Ancestry. However,
a major drawback on Ancestry is that there is no way to prove a genetic
relationship. A chromosome browser
and triangulation is needed for that, and Ancestry has neither.
Since
everyone is connected with everyone else by multiple lines if we go back far
enough, it is not surprising to find that some of those multiple matches are
recent enough to show up in autosomal DNA test results. As Roberta says, Òif the person we
match has ancestors living in the same geography as our ancestors, thereÕs a
possibility that they will share a second (or even third) ancestral line.Ó She continues, ÒI thought it would be a
rare match where I would have two disconnected genealogical lines. In reality, it appears that it could be
about half the time.Ó She says,
ÒWhat this really means is that we cannot assume that DNA/Tree matches [on
Ancestry] are connecting the dots between the right genetic lines and the right
pedigree lines in a tree – because about half the time, it could be the
wrong line in our and their tree.Ó
MORE COMMENTS ABOUT
ANCESTRYÕS SHAKY LEAF
Although
Roberta Estes sees serious shortcomings in AncestryÕs matching technology, she
has found it to be very helpful when it is used properly (which she explains in
her article). On the other hand,
Jason Lee in an article
in his blog has an especially harsh critique of AncestryÕs shaky leaf
matching procedure. Jason gives a
good description of a new chromosome browser that he thinks Ancestry should
consider adding in another
blog article. To see the
archived postings on JasonÕs blog on tumblr, click on the link with 3
horizontal lines in the top left corner, and then click on Archive.
Although
I think that most of the criticisms of AncestryÕs shaky leaf matching are
valid, I also think we need to learn to take advantage of what is
available. For that purpose,
RobertaÕs suggestions are very helpful.
MORE ABOUT USING MATCHING AT
ANCESTRY
Roberta
Estes has another blog article dated Feb. 2, 2015, titled ÒGetting
the Most Out of AncestryDNA.Ó
Although she is not satisfied with AncestryÕs matching tools, this
article gives some good tips on how to take advantage of what Ancestry does
have.
RECOMMENDATIONS AND APPLICATION
TO THE GRAVES/GREAVES DNA PROJECT
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Those who have tested with Ancestry should use the matching tools
provided there (shaky leaf and DNA circles).
¥
They should follow the example of many others who have transferred
their test results to Family Tree DNA (FTDNA) and GedMatch, or taking a Family
Finder test at FTDNA. With the
transfer to FTDNA it is important to pay for the transfer, since it provides
all matches and full access to the analytical tools.
¥
The discussion in RobertaÕs article sheds light on the observation of
many that they often match people from one or more Graves/Greaves lines other
than their own. In a few cases
this may mean that they have more than one Graves/Greaves ancestral line, but
usually it means that the line they match that person on is not the Graves
line.
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FEBRUARY IS
BLACK HISTORY MONTH IN THE U.S.
To
commemorate Black History Month, Fold3 (now part of Ancestry.com) is making its
Black History records available for free through the end of February. Click here to see
the complete blog article. In
order to make browsing these records easier, Fold3 has divided them into the
categories of Slavery, the Civil War, Reconstructions & Jim Crow Laws, the
World Wars, and the Civil Rights Movement.
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HOW TO HIRE A
PROFESSIONAL GENEALOGIST
The Weekly Genealogist, online newsletter of the
New England Historic Genealogical Society (NEHGS), Feb. 4, 2015, mentions an
article titled ÒHow
to Hire a Professional Genealogist You Can TrustÓ by Louis Henry Gates,
Jr., and Suzanne Stewart, director of Research Services at NEHGS. This article attempts to answer the
question: What can you do to further your genealogy goals when you have taken
your family tree research efforts as far as you can take them on your own? Professor Gates first lists the four
main services of a professional genealogist as tracing ancestry, researching
descendants, searching records, and DNA testing and interpreting of
results. He then discusses
certification of professional genealogists and how to find the right person for
your needs.
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Also do my own search for other articles, and add my own opinions. For instance, the use of DNA group
administrators at FTDNA, participation in mailing lists such as those at ISOGG
and GOONS, and people at libraries, genealogical societies, etc., can all help.
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TWO
OPPORTUNITIES TO LEARN MORE ABOUT YOUR IRISH ANCESTORS
Since
St. PatrickÕs Day, March 17, will be here soon, learning about Irish genealogy
seems especially appropriate. The
first of two opportunities to learn more features two experts from the Ulster
Historical Foundation who will be offering an all-day seminar at the Courtyard
Marriott Downtown in Boston, Massachusetts on Saturday, March 21, explaining
how to get the most from Irish resources and records for Irish and Scots-Irish
ancestors. Cost is $85. For more information and to register,
click here.
The
second opportunity is for members of New England Historic Genealogical Society
(NEHGS) who can register for an online course titled ÒIrish Genealogical
Research: Sources and MethodsÓ.
This is scheduled for Wednesdays, March 18, 25, and April 1, 6-7:30
p.m., at a cost of $75. You can
register here,
and can join NEHGS to be eligible for this and other courses here.
You
can see more about the Online Learning Center of NEHGS here and their online programs
(including their Irish Genealogical Research course) here.
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WHICH DNA
TESTING COMPANY IS THE BEST
Roberta
Estes, in a Feb.
5 article in her DNAeXplained blog, gives a good answer to this
question. She compares the pluses
and minuses of 23andMe, Ancestry.com, and Family Tree DNA, listing what she
considers to be their best feature, good features, not so good features, and
worst feature. She also points out
that which company is the best for you also depends on your goals, individual
priorities, and budget.
Judy
RussellÕs Feb. 2 blog
article in The Legal Genealogist
gives recommendations from a slightly different perspective.
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ENGLANDÕS
IMMIGRANT DATABASE, 1330-1550
This
database, launched on 14 Feb. 2015, contains over 64,000 names. It can be seen here. It is a fully-searchable database of people known to have
migrated to England during the period of the Hundred YearsÕ War and the Black
Death, the Wars of the Roses and the Reformation. A search of the database will give a hit if the name is
found as a word anywhere in the record.
Thus, the search results for Grave gave Henry Depyng because his place
of origin included Grave in what is now Netherlands. The number of hits for various surnames in the database are
in the following table. Of the
64,000 immigrants, only about 4,000 had a location of origin indicated. The majority of the known origins were
from what are now the Netherlands, Germany, France, and northern Italy.
Surname |
No. |
Comments |
Greave,
Greaves |
0 |
|
Grave,
Grayve |
21 |
Most
names were in London and Middlesex. John Grayve/Grave lived in Boston,
Lincolnshire in 1440, with servant Rike Goderyk. Also in Boston in 1440 was
Reginald vaan Grave, servant to John Luter. Possible ancestors of gen. 83. |
Greve |
2 |
|
Grieve,
Grieves, Greive, Greives |
0 |
|
Dr.
Bart LambertÕs talk on the EnglandÕs Immigrants project can be seen here on the Guild of One-Name Studies
YouTube channel. You can also see
many other interesting videos on this channel.
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