Vol. 18, No. 7, December 31, 2016


A Free, Occasional, Online Summary of Items of Interest to Descendants of all Families of Graves, Greaves, Grieves, Grave, and other spelling variations Worldwide




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** General Comments

** Connections of Thomas Graves (Gen. 168), Capt. Thomas Graves (Gen. 169), and Related Families

** Human Dispersal Out of Africa: A Lasting Debate

** Over 3,000 Years of Humans Exaggerating Their Lineage on Family Trees

** Genetic Testing and DNA Databases Mean the End of Anonymous Sperm and Egg Donation

** Invitation to Join the Jamestowne Society

** Updates to the GFA Website

** To Submit Material to this Bulletin & Other Things






This year-end bulletin contains several interesting articles I have come across.  In 2017 there will be much more discussion of SNPs (single nucleotide polymorphisms), their usefulness in tracing our ancestry and our connections, and what we should do to take advantage of the benefits from testing for them.


For now, I wish you all a very happy and healthy New Year!







I recently sent the following information to Robert Kemp, whose Y-DNA matches that of descendants of genealogies 168, 169, etc.  My conclusion (based on our standard Y-DNA testing of STR markers) was that he is a much closer match to gen. 168 than to gen. 169.  However, there is no way to tell whether his connection is before or after the use of surnames without doing SNP testing.


In general, the farther removed you are from someone else in group R1-168, the more distant your connection is. However, some mutations are much more significant than others, so it’s much more than how many differences there are than which markers are different and which are the same as yours. For instance, if the mutation of 19 at position 32 is especially significant and I look at which other kits match yours on that marker, I see 2 gen. 168 samples and 2 gen. 65 samples. If I look at your mutation of 19 at marker 33, its only match is with a gen. 168 kit.


Regarding your comments about the point in time when Kemp and Graves intersect, you can determine that with SNP testing (as long as others also test), but we will never know it from the present STR testing. And Big Y testing is the best thing we have right now to get close enough to the present time to be able to find that intersection.


We have the same problem with finding the intersection of gen. 168 and gen. 169. There is a slight possibility that it is in America in the 1600s or even early 1700s, but more likely to be in England. We need to get people to take the Big Y test for that, and of course those would be test results you could compare your results to. It’s too bad Big Y is still too expensive for most people, but this sale plus coupons plus my paying some should be helpful in encouraging some people to take the plunge.


Since I’m thinking about it and looking at the master table of Y-DNA test results as I type this, I might as well mention that in group R1-168 it is apparent that almost all gen. 169 samples are at the top of the group with a mutation of 10 at marker 5. However, they all have a distinctive mutation of 16 at marker 30 and 35 at 35. It is obvious that you are a much closer match to gen. 168 than to gen. 169.






See the article of this title here.  The complete article can be downloaded from Libertas Academica.  The abstract states: “Unraveling the first migrations of anatomically modern humans out of Africa has invoked great interest among researchers from a wide range of disciplines. Available fossil, archeological, and climatic data offer many hypotheses, and as such genetics, with the advent of genome-wide genotyping and sequencing techniques and an increase in the availability of ancient samples, offers another important tool for testing theories relating to our own history. In this review, we report the ongoing debates regarding how and when our ancestors left Africa, how many waves of dispersal there were and what geographical routes were taken. We explore the validity of each, using current genetic literature coupled with some of the key archeological findings.”


The authors conclude that determining origins and migratory movements of the first homo sapiens (modern humans) is a very difficult and complex process, and will require experts of all types to work together.  They also conclude that analyzing mitochondrial DNA or Y-DNA is not adequate.  The entire genome needs to be looked at.


There are also those who believe that the scientists who are investigating and discussing the evolution and migration of humans are mistaken.  Creationists usually believe that humans were created in their present form, as stated in the Bible, and some believe that the creation was about 4004 B.C., as calculated by seventeenth century Irish bishop James Ussher.  In fact there have been many genealogies traced back to Adam.  I have a copy of one for a Graves family member in my collection.






The article with this title can be found here in Atlas Obscura.  Family trees were apparently not always intended to be factual depictions of ancestries, as we generally think of them today.  One that is mentioned in the article is the Lurie family tree, generally considered the oldest, or tallest, family tree in existence.  It begins with King David and continues up to the present day, including Sigmund Freud, Karl Marx, Felix Mendelssohn, and many of the kings of Judah.


The most populous family tree is that of Confucius with more than two million descendants.  “However, living descendants had to pay a small fee to be included in the tree, raising questions as to whether an ancestral link to Confucius could simply be bought.”


Most of us have seen the many errors in genealogies and family trees published on, and there is no reason to think that most family trees through the ages had accidental or intentional errors.






See this article here.  The article states: “Personal genetic testing and DNA databases have effectively brought an end to anonymous sperm and egg donation, an expert has claimed.


The growing popularity of direct-to-consumer genetic tests is making it increasingly easy for donor-conceived individuals to discover the identity of their biological parents.


This can have "traumatic" consequences when adults who do not know they owe their existence to donated "gametes" - sperm or eggs - are suddenly confronted with the truth.


The only remedy is to make the business of donor conception as open as possible, according to a paper published in the journal Human Reproduction.


One of its authors, genealogist Debbie Kennett, from University College London's Department of Genetics, Evolution and Environment, said: "Fertility clinics need to develop robust guidelines and procedures that enable them to integrate subsequent genomic data into their existing consent agreements.


"All parties concerned must be aware that, in 2016, donor anonymity does not exist."”






The following notice was submitted by John Graves, Governor, Lewis & Clark Company, Jamestowne Society, and is specifically for descendants of Capt. Thomas Graves (genealogy 169).  John is a descendant of Capt. Thomas Graves.


Proven descendants Capt. Thomas Graves are eligible to join the Jamestowne Society, as he is one of the Society’s qualifying ancestors. The Jamestowne Society was organized for educational, historical, and patriotic purposes, and to that end, its mission is as follows: 

           To discover and record the names of all living descendants of those early settlers who made the great sacrifice to establish our English-speaking Nation; and to unite these descendants to honor the memory of our settler ancestors; and to record their deeds, and to do homage to the birthplace of Virginia and the Nation.

           To associate those descendants as members of the corporation.

           To bring the members into closer association through activities revolving around matters of common historical and genealogical interest.     

           To promote the restoration of historical records, documents, objects, and edifices which are of lasting cultural value to the people of Virginia and of the Nation.     

           To assist in the organization of state companies, reminiscent of the London and Virginia Companies, in states where membership and interest justify them.


What Graves specific lines of descent may qualify one for membership in the Jamestowne Society? Basically four heredity lines are recognized by the Society:

           Capt. Graves’ son John to grandson Ralph to great grandson Ralph

           Capt. Graves’ daughter Verlinda who had 6 children by Capt. William Stone

           Capt. Graves’ daughter Ann/Anne who had 1 child by Rev. William Cotton and 3 children by Nathaniel Eaton

           Capt. Graves’ daughter Katherine/Catherine who had 2 children by Capt. William Roper and 5 children by Lt. Thomas Sprigg


For further information regarding the Jamestowne Society, please browse our web site at Should you wish to become a member of our Society, please contact our Executive Director, Bonnie Hofmeyer, below.


Bonnie Hofmeyer

Jamestowne Society

P.O. Box 6845

Richmond, Virginia 23230







Updated pages:

           Numerical Listing of Genealogies & Charts, charts.php


Updated charts:

           Combined chart for gen. 47 and 270, chart047-connections.pdf

           Chart for gen. 47, chart047.pdf

           Y-SNP Tree for R1-047 group, Y-SNP-Tree, R1-047.pdf

           Descendant Chart for gen. 169 (Capt. Thomas Graves of VA), DNAchart169.pdf

           Descendant Chart for gen. 169 through son Thomas, DNAchart169-Thomas2.pdf


New Genealogies:

           Gen. 595, Joseph Graves and Mary Baker of Dorset, England


Revised genealogies:

           Gen. 85, Thomas Graves of New Castle Co., DE, Quaker

           Gen. 150, James Graves and Mary Copeland of VA & GA





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