GRAVES FAMILY BULLETIN
Vol. 19, No. 2, March 31,
2017
A
Free, Occasional, Online Summary of Items of Interest to Descendants of all
Families of Graves, Greaves, Grieves, Grave, and other spelling variations
Worldwide
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CONTENTS
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General Comments
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2017 RootsTech Conference
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Who Do You Think You Are? Live Show in England in April
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GEDMATCH
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More About the Big Y DNA SNP Test at Family Tree DNA
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Finding Ancestral Families in Their Country of Origin
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Does Lyman O. Graves Belong in Gen. 28 or 166?
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Genealogy 428 Has Been Added to Genealogy 83
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Updates to the GFA Website
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Family Tree DNA Now Accepts All Autosomal DNA Transfers, and All Matches Are
Now Free
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How to Dispose of Unwanted Things and Preserve Wanted Things
**
Comments About Jamestowne Society/Mayflower Society Article
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Find Your 2,000-Year-Old DopplegŠnger
** To Submit Material to this Bulletin & Other
Things
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GENERAL
COMMENTS
The
time I have been able to spend on getting this bulletin written has been much
too limited, but I figured I needed to get some of the articles sent. I hope you find some of these helpful. You can expect another issue in April
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2017 ROOTSTECH
CONFERENCE
RootsTech
is an annual family history conference featuring more than 200 breakout
sessions that include the subjects of DNA, genealogical tools, photos, family
stories, organizing the things you collect, and discovery. This yearÕs RootsTech 2017 was held in
Salt Lake City, UT, Feb. 8-11. In
additional to presentations and discussions, it included an exhibition hall,
and much more. You can see all
about it (including videos of the presentations) by clicking here.
Some
of the highlights of the conference, according to some attendees, were the
following.
LeVar BurtonÕs Keynote
Address
This
was called to my attention by Roberta Estes on her DNAeXplained
blog, where she raved about how interesting and inspiring it was. LeVar Burton portrayed Kunta Kinte in
1977 in Alex HayleyÕs Roots, and was later Lt. Commander Geordi La Forge in
Star Trek. His presentation can be
seen here.
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WHO DO YOU
THINK YOU ARE? LIVE IN ENGLAND IN APRIL
This
show will be held in Birmingham, England on April 6-8. Like RootsTech, it is one of the
largest genealogy conferences in the world, and well worth attending. You can see more on their website here and on Dick EastmanÕs
blog here.
Attending
this is a great opportunity to attend presentations, and talk to presenters,
other researchers, and vendors, and to meet new people and possible cousins.
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GEDMATCH
GEDmatch is a
very important website for studying autosomal DNA test results because of the
analytical tools it provides and the fact that it can handle results from all
the various vendors. According to
an attendee at the RootsTech conference: ÒDuring Shannon ChristmasÕ
presentation about GEDmatch at RootsTech recently, Curtis Rogers from GEDmatch
responded to a question from the audience about the size of the GEDmatch
database. Curtis said that GEDmatch now has approximately 500,000 people who
have uploaded kits there. He said that on an average day 700 to 1000 new
kits per day are being uploaded to GEDmatch. This type of growth is very
important to the genetic genealogy community because GEDmatch offers the
excellent DNA comparison tools. I hope that this growth continues.
I have noted that the number of people using GEDmatch at any one time has been
gradually increasing over the past year or so. Sometimes over 200 people
are on GEDmatch at the same time. Right now there are 205 people using
GEDmatch. It is particularly important that people who have tested at
Ancestry upload to GEDmatch, but I encourage anyone who has tested with any
of the major companies to upload to GEDmatch. The performance of the website has also improved
significantly over the past year or so.Ó
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MORE ABOUT THE
BIG Y SNP TEST AT FAMILY TREE DNA
For
those of you who have already taken the Big Y test, you may be wondering why
you keep getting messages from Family
Tree saying they have found new Big Y matches, and whether the Big Y test has
been helpful. These are good questions. The matches we get notifications of actually are new matches,
but they are usually not meaningful for our purposes. When they are very close,
they may indicate a relative from before the start of surnames, but generally
they arenÕt even that. When they
are for a match with another Graves or Greaves relative, we will almost
certainly already know about that.
The Big Y test
has been very helpful. One of the
benefits to our Graves/Greaves project has been to finally determine which
Y-DNA tests results are actually part of the same family by determining who
shares the same SNPs. Because this
test is so new, we are still learning how to get the most information from it. I will be contacting most of those who
take the test occasionally to ask them to send some of the test results to one
of the volunteer ÒexpertsÓ for further analysis or to do other things to help
us learn more. I am expecting that
we will eventually be able to figure out how all the families that share a
common Graves ancestor are connected, and also get information about the
earlier ancestry of the family. The
more descendants we get to take the test, the easier and more precise that
becomes.
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FINDING
ANCESTRAL FAMILIES IN THEIR COUNTRY OF ORIGIN
Although
the approaches discussed in this article can usually be used in any country,
the country of most interest to most Graves/Greaves descendants is England. The following paragraphs are part of a
discussion on the ISOGG email list and some of my direct email exchanges about
finding the origins of families in their country of origin, and finding family
members there for family information and DNA testing. I welcome other ideas and anyone who would like to help with
contacting.
I originally wrote about my
email exchange with Paul Howes, Chairman of the Guild of One-Name Studies,
saying:
I have a great
interest in contacting people in England who are descended from the various
Graves and Greaves families for the purposes of DNA testing and gathering their
ancestry information. As has been often observed, that is not easy. I am
willing to pay some or all of some DNA testing, and am also willing to try to
raise money from others for this effort.
I want to find people in each of the various Graves and Greaves families
in England for DNA testing and sharing family information. I am also interested in taking
descendants to visit ancestral homes and towns in England, and to meet
present-day cousins there.
I am considering
going to England this summer to prepare for a possible group trip in 2018.
However, I will not go unless I can make contact beforehand with a number of
family members who are still in England (not necessary that they have the
Greaves name, just that they are descended from the same Greaves family). The only
ways I can figure out to find those people is to either make telephone calls to
people with the Graves and Greaves surname from the Electoral Registers, or to
find genealogies on websites that descendants of that Greaves family have
posted (or perhaps queries that they have posted) and contact them. The first
option is very time-consuming and awkward, and for the second I donÕt know of a
good source other than Ancestry.
Paul Howes was kind enough to send me some of
his suggestions on this subject. He wrote:
A few other
things you can do:
á
Use
Facebook or other social media platforms to find British GREAVESes
á
Use the
online telephone directory (the British Telephone Phone Book). Click here. Listings are optional these days, but
your prime group is older adults who are still mostly listed.
á
Use the
online electoral registers at Findmypast, which are good up to 2014,
particularly with the phone number listing above.
á
Try the
local county family history societies for areas you are interested in.
Most maintain lists of members' surname interests. You may have to join
them. Some lists, like Norfolk are not affiliated with the local FHS, or
like Oxfordshire, are, but are open to non-members.
á
I do
like the Ancestry approach - did you know Ancestry maintains lists of those
with particular surname interests too (e.g., click here)? You can't tell immediately
which country the people live in, though.
á
And,
don't forget the old Rootsweb mailing lists for each of your surname interests.
á
I would
post your question to other Guild members. If you don't want the email,
use the WebForum or our Facebook page."
I responded with some comments:
I have tried
contacting and even joining (where necessary) county societies, and have not
found that helpful.
I have found
the Electoral Registers helpful, but telephoning every Graves or Greaves person
in a particular area is very time-consuming and can be expensive. The same
applies to the telephone directory. Where mailing addresses can be found, the
response is extremely low, so calling is definitely better.
Regarding using
Facebook, I see that I can go to People at the top of the Facebook page, then
search for a name such as Greaves, and that I can select a city or county/shire
such as Northamptonshire. Is that the best way to use Facebook for this
purpose?
I am also on
LinkedIn, and I see that I can search there for a surname and place by, for
instance, searching for Greaves in Northamptonshire. I have the feeling that
isnÕt apt to be anywhere near as good for this purpose as Facebook.
Debbie Kennett wrote of some
of the challenges:
ItÕs a challenge
for any surname project to get enough samples from around the world to
represent all the surviving Y-lineages.
WeÕve discussed
before that the US lines will not give the total picture for any given surname
because they only represent a subset of the different Y-lines for the surname.
If there are ten genetic families or clusters for a given surname you might
perhaps only find representatives of one or two of these clusters in the US.
The lines that are found in the US often tend to reproduce very rapidly so itÕs
typical to see very large genetic clusters for US surnames. In my experience if
you test people from the home country you tend to up with large numbers of
singletons who donÕt match anyone else in the project. In contrast all my US
participants match someone else with their surname apart from a few people who
are NPEs. The NPEs in the US also have a much higher chance of getting a solid
match that will help to identify their biological surname. There are also going
to be some lines that survive in the US that have become extinct elsewhere.
Chris Pomery
wrote a very good article on this subject for Dick EastmanÕs blog back in 2009.
The article is now available on ChrisÕs website here.
We still have
little in the way of hard data but if more projects were to test all documented
lineages as Chris has done then I imagine we would expect to see very similar
patterns emerging.
Beth Long wrote about
finding a contact in the geographical area of interest to help find people and
interact with them:
I
administer a project which needs to find people with particular (Hungarian)
surnames living in a specific area of Romania. I was able to find a very smart
and reliable young man living in that area who does testing for me. I mail him
a kit or two, then tell him which surnames I want. He looks people up in the
local phonebook, explains the project, then drives over and does the test. He
mails the kits back to me and I mail them to FTDNA.
I also
made up a simple blank ancestry tree form for him. He gets the test-takers to
complete it as far back as they are able. I have most of the local church
records on DVDs, back to the mid-1700s, so I can usually do the rest of the
research at home. In the case of
this young man, his father is an amateur genealogist who has written two books
of the genealogy of families in his own village, so the interest is there. I also pay him about $15 per kit for
his time and gas for the car.
I think
a partnership with a carefully selected person in the "target area"
might hold the best chance of success.
Brian Swann wrote about
using social media and about offering a pedigree chart and help with creating a
more complete genealogy:
I would be
interested to hear if folk in America have had appreciable successes in
recruiting people from cold over here by social media – I prefer
Facebook, as it can be difficult to have any meaningful genealogical conversations
with just 140 characters on Twitter.
Brian
Swann also wrote:
The one thing
about Linked In is that it tends to be used by professional people, for want of
a better word. So I think you are more likely to get a reply,
especially if you phrase the question reasonably generally to begin with.
The converse of the argument is that those folk tend to be busy, so may not
bother and delete you.
I do think the
one other thing that helps is generating a skeleton pedigree chart for folk
over here back to 1837/1841 – then you have something tangible to offer
them, and they are likely to be more engaged. That takes appreciably more
time, of course – but when I have really wanted to recruit someone, that
is what I have done.
I have done that
recently for a Swan family in America too, as I have been saying for about 3
years to some folk over there that descendants from this individual, born in
1782 in Maryland, needed to be recruited. I did all the work to track
living male descendants forwards – not that many branches, some difficult
to sort through, but I could identify at least two groups living today.
As nothing seemed to be happening, I tracked someone down via trees on
Ancestry, knew I could sort out where they were stuck in America, and at least
I have a response. I could identify who she was just from her email
address, and could even dig out her date of birth, as she lived in Texas.
I hoped I could use her to get to her brother, who has the Y-DNA we need.
Right now I am just waiting a reply, as they have a reasonable amount to
digest.
Nancy Kiser wrote about
successful promotion on websites and on their Guild of One-Name Studies page:
The Phillips DNA
Project has been fairly successful in recruiting Phillips men living in the UK
for DNA testing. We did this by offering free 37 marker Y-DNA tests to UK
citizens on our independent website, our website at FTDNA and our profile page
on the Guild-of-One-Name Studies. We now have over 70 members from the UK
but their match rate has been disappointingly low. Fewer than 33% of
these men match anyone else in our project. By comparison, once we had over 70
American men named Phillips in the project, the match rate was around 70% and
it has continued at that level ever since. We have now discontinued the free
test program because of the disappointing results and because our wealthy donor
who was sponsoring all the free tests died.
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DOES LYMAN O.
GRAVES BELONG IN GEN. 28 OR 166?
Cory
Graves, descended from Lyman Ottman Graves, called my attention to this
ancestor being listed in both genealogy 28 (Rear Adm. Thomas Graves of
Charlestown, MA) and genealogy 166 (John Graves of Concord, MA).
In gen. 28, he was listed as a son of Asa Graves, born 4 Nov. 1755, and
Roxanna Ottman. In gen. 166, he
was listed as a son of Asa Graves, born 19 Feb. 1757. I had originally thought that he was descended from gen.
166, but suspected that might be wrong.
Since both gen. 28 and 166 are descended from a common ancestor, his
Y-DNA test results did not resolve that issue.
Cory
took the Big Y test, which tests for SNPs in the Y-chromosome, and it now looks
as though he is definitely descended from genealogy 28. His novel variants (the SNP mutations
that he had but no one else had) were all different than those of the one Big Y
sample from a descendant of gen. 166.
To confirm this, we need to have one more gen. 166 descendant and one
more gen. 28 descendant take the Big Y test.
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GENEALOGY 428
HAS BEEN ADDED TO GENEALOGY 83
The
question of the ancestry of Lyman Ottman Graves of Hancock Co., Maine
(genealogy 428) was recently raised and discussed on the GFA Facebook page by
Greg Graves and others. Upon
looking at census records, it seems apparent that Lyman was a son of Moses
Thompson Graves and Eliza Ann Harden, in the 1850 census for Trenton, Hancock
Co., Maine. Moses is in genealogy
83 (Samuel Graves of Lynn, MA), and was a son of Jeremiah Graves and Mehitable
Thompson. Gen. 428 has now been
added to gen. 83. It is expected
that a Y-DNA test will be taken soon by Greg Graves or other male descendant to
confirm this ancestry.
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UPDATES TO THE
GFA WEBSITE
Updated
pages:
¥
Numerical Listing of Genealogies and Charts, charts.php
Updated
charts:
¥
Y-DNA I-Haplogroup SNP Chart, I-Y-SNP-chart.pdf
¥
Y-DNA R-Haplogroup SNP Chart, R-Y-SNP-chart.pdf
¥
Y-DNA Group R1-047 SNP Tree, Y-SNP-Tree-R1-047.pdf
¥
Y-DNA Group R1-168 SNP Tree, Y-SNP-Tree-R1-168.pdf
¥
Y-DNA Group R1-228 SNP Tree, Y-SNP-Tree-R1-228.pdf
¥
Chart for Descendants of Greaves Family of Northamptonshire, England
(Gen. 47), chart047.pdf
¥
Chart for Descendants of Greaves Family of Northamptonshire, England
(Gen. 47), and Connections with Gen. 270 and others, chart047-connections.pdf
¥
Chart for Descendants of Thomas Graves of New Castle Co., DE (Gen. 85),
DNAchart85.pdf
¥
Chart for Descendants of William Graves of Culpeper Co., VA (Gen. 94),
DNAchart94.pdf
¥
Chart for Descendants of James Graves and Mary Copeland of VA & GA
(Gen. 150), DNAchart150.pdf
¥
Chart for Descendants of John Graves of Concord, MA (Gen. 166),
DNAchart166.pdf
¥
Chart for Descendants of Thomas Graves of Hartford, CT (Gen. 168),
DNAchart168.pdf
¥
Chart for Descendants of Francis Graves of VA (Gen. 220), chart220.pdf
¥
Chart for Descendants of John Greaves of St. MaryÕs Co., MD (Gen. 247),
DNAchart247.pdf
¥
Chart for Descendants of John Graves/Greaves of Northamptonshire,
England and Virginia (Gen. 270), chart270.pdf
Revised
genealogies:
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Gen. 28, Greaves Family of Stepney, London, England, and Rear Adm.
Thomas Graves of Charlestown, MA
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Gen. 83, Samuel Graves of Lynn, MA
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Gen. 220, Francis Graves of Gloucester Co. and Essex Co., VA
¥
Gen. 500, Mary Graves and Amos Flint of Reading, MA (prob. desc. from
Gen. 83)
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FAMILY TREE
DNA NOW ACCEPTS ALL AUTOSOMAL DNA TRANSFERS, AND ALL MATCHES ARE NOW FREE
Family
Tree DNA now accepts all Ancestry autosomal DNA transfers plus 23andMe
version 3 and version 4
transfers. In addition, when the
results are transferred, all matches can be seen, not just the first 20
matches. More details can be seen
on the DNAeXplained blog of Roberts Estes here. You can see other interesting articles
by her here.
Advantages
of transferring your autosomal test results from Ancestry or 23andMe to Family
Tree DNA include seeing more matches, getting access to the analytical tool of
Family Finder, and being able to be part of the Graves/Greaves DNA project.
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HOW TO DISPOSE
OF UNWANTED THINGS AND PRESERVE WANTED THINGS
I
recently noticed some articles that relate to different parts of the same
problem. The first article is
titled ÒSorry,
Nobody Wants Your ParentsÕ Stuff.Ó
This is mainly about things like heirloom furniture, silverware, dishes,
books, and similar items. Younger
people generally live a somewhat different lifestyle today and value different
things as compared to the styles and values in the last century. The article gives 8 tips for disposing
of unwanted things, including early planning and discussion while everyone
involved is still around.
The
second article is ÒThese
books were beloved. But what happens after their owner dies?Ó in the Boston
Globe on Feb. 17. It discusses the
problem of what to do with books perhaps collected over a lifetime. Children and relatives usually donÕt
want them or donÕt have space for them and libraries often canÕt accept
them. Sometimes book stores or
specialized libraries (such as the New England Historic Genealogical Society in
Boston) can be a partial answer to this problem.
A
third article is in Dick EastmanÕs EastmanÕs Online Genealogy Newsletter (Vol.
22, No. 11, March 13, 2017) and is titled ÒWhat
to do With Your Genealogy Collection When You Downsize or Die.Ó This article says that one option is to
donate your collection to FamilySearch.
They only accept certain materials under certain conditions which he
explains in his article.
One
option for preserving cherished family papers is to contact the New England
Historic Genealogy Society in Boston, MA, by phone or at research@nehgs.org,
and ask about the Family Archives package. The experts at NEHGS will sort and preserve your documents,
arranging your letters, photographs, diaries, and other materials into a neatly
labeled, easy to access archive.
The service will also provide a convenient finding guide for you and
your family.
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COMMENTS ABOUT
JAMESTOWNE SOCIETY/MAYFLOWER SOCIETY MEMBERSHIP ARTICLE
In
the GF Bulletin of Jan. 31 (vol. 19, no. 1) there was an article about an
ancestor who would qualify descendants for membership in both the Jamestowne
Society and the Mayflower Society.
Gerald M. Graves of Iowa, descended from gen. 85 has submitted the
following comments about that.
ÒI am afraid that
Mr. Smith ran together his two ancestor societies and gave a false impression
in his comment on the Jamestown Society at the end of this monthÕs bulletin. He
stated that descendants of Roxana Rose Graves are eligible for Mayflower
Society membership based on the VA Company shares owned by John Vassall. That
should make them eligible for Jamestown Society membership. But only descendants
of the passengers on the ship Mayflower on the 1620 voyage can join the
Mayflower Society. Roxanna Rose may be a Mayflower descendant, but not through
John Vassall.
Searching
genealogy 166 for notes about the Mayflower indicates that if correct all the
descendants of JONATHAN GRAVES (50) and Bettie Lisk would be eligible for the
Mayflower Society through her decent from Mayflower passenger William Bradford.
The Mayflower Society has published William BradfordÕs family through the first
5 generations, which should show Jonathan Graves, if correct. It appears
elsewhere in gen. 166 that JONATHAN GRAVES (50) was married to MARY TISDALE. I
do not know which is correct and it is not my line. I only wanted to clear up
the Mayflower Society Membership. By the way I am eligible on my non-Graves
side for both the Mayflower Society and the Jamestown Society through Stephen
Hopkins, the only person to be both places.Ó
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FIND YOUR
2,000-YEAR-OLD DOPPLEGANGER
Smithsonian
Magazine and their online website has some very interesting content. A recent
article has the same title as this article. Send the MusŽe de la Civilisation a photo, and it will match
you with an ancient statue. For
its upcoming exhibition, the museum in Quebec City, Canada is inviting people
from around the world to upload their own photos in an effort to find their
ancient doubles. Those with the
closest matches will then be featured as part of the museumÕs exhibition, which
is slated to premiere this coming October. Computerized facial recognition reviewed by human inspection
is being used. As of March 2017,
only 5 or 6 of the more than 25,000 submissions have been considered Òperfect
matches.Ó
While
the chance of using facial recognition software for finding ancestors and
relatives is a possibility, most, if not all, of the Òperfect matchesÓ will be
for people with no known relationship.
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