Graves Family Bulletin, Vol. 21, No. 1

GRAVES FAMILY BULLETIN

Vol. 21, No. 1, January 26, 2022

A Free, Occasional, Online Summary of Items of Interest to Descendants of all Families of Graves, Greaves, Grieves, Grave, and other spelling variations Worldwide

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CONTENTS

** General Comments

** Reminder of Fund to Help With DNA Test Cost If Needed

** Overview of the Project to Learn More About Each Major Graves/Greaves Family

** Y-DNA Group R1-083

** To Submit Material to this Bulletin & Other Things

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GENERAL COMMENTS

The first issue of this Bulletin since 2017 was published last year in April 2021. If you didn’t receive a copy, you can look at it or print it by going to the GFA website, going to the Products tab at the top of the page, clicking on Bulletin, and scrolling down to the bottom of the page.

In that first issue we discussed the overall plan to work on all the major families of most interest, and we started with Y-DNA Group R1-168, which includes both northern and southern U.S. states, and is from Hertfordshire and Essex, England.

This issue of the GF Bulletin will highlight the study of group R1-083, which includes many of the families originating in Lincolnshire, England and emigrating to Massachusetts.

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REMINDER OF FUND TO HELP WITH DNA TEST COST IF NEEDED

The Graves DNA Project has a General Fund that may be able to pay for some or all of the testing cost if needed. If anyone wants to take a test or order an upgrade but needs financial help, let me know.

Also, if you would like to pay for someone else’s test or would like to donate to the fund, I will be happy to help you do so.

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OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT TO LEARN MORE ABOUT EACH MAJOR GRAVES/GREAVES FAMILY

Testing male descendants of many of the families has allowed us to discover the main Graves/Greaves families. You can see the results of that on the master Y-DNA table at https://www.familytreedna.com/public/gravesdnastudy/default.aspx?section=ycolorized. You can find the link to that by going to the Graves Family Association website at https://gravesfa.org, hovering over the DNA tab at the top of the page, and clicking on Y-DNA Test Results, and then clicking on the link for Y-DNA Test Results on FTDNA Website.

Future issues of the GF Bulletin will discuss various family groups and what is needed to find their earliest ancestry, where they originated, and how the various parts of the family are related to each other. Although most emphasis will be placed on the groups with the most testers and the greatest interest, other groups will probably be discussed also.

The following tables provide an overall picture of where the project stands. We have made wonderful progress in the approximately 21 years since we started.

Y-DNA GROUPS IN AMERICA FOR WHICH WE KNOW THE PLACE OF ORIGIN IN ENGLAND

A list of Y-DNA groups for which we know the place of origin is below.

Y-DNA Group	Place in England (or elsewhere in UK)	Some of the Genealogies in America	Places in America
I1-085	Northern Ireland	35, 50, 85	DE
I1-316	Yorkshire	283	Canada
I2-208	Yorkshire	208	VT
R1-018	Lincolnshire	18, 84, etc.	VA, TN, NC, SC
R1-047	Northamptonshire & Buckinghamshire	47, 270	VA, NC
R1-083	Lincolnshire	83	MA, MD
R1-168	Hertfordshire & Essex	65, 168, 169 (no Y-DNA match in England yet)	VA, MA, CT
R-169b	Staffordshire & Derbyshire	169, 700, 956	VA
R1-197	Yorkshire & Warwickshire	156, 336	SC
R1-228b	London & Middlesex	28,166, 220, 247, etc.	MA, VA, MD
R1-377	Cambridge & Cumbria	116	VA, NY

Members of some of the other groups of Graves/Greaves descendants in England may never have emigrated from England.

Y-DNA GROUPS IN AMERICA WITH UNKNOWN ORIGIN IN ENGLAND

Some of the groups of Graves descendants in America that did emigrate but whose origin in England is not yet known include the families listed below.

Y-DNA Group	Some of the Genealogies	Places in America
I2-078	48, 78, 189, 381, 920	VA, SC
I2-090	90, 280	VA
R1-013	13, 148, 441	VA, NC, TN, KY
R1-037	37	SC, TN
R1-104	104	VA, NC, TN
R1-106	106	SC
R1-126	126	VA
R1-147	147	GA
R1-165	165	NH
R1-169a	169a	VA
R1-437	437	MI & TN
R1-439	439	SC

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Y-DNA GROUP R1-083

How to Find the Genealogies and Additional Related Information

All the genealogies can be found on the Graves Family Association website, and can be most easily found by hovering over the Research tab at the top of the page and clicking on Genealogies, Numerical Listing. (The Alphabetical Listing has not yet been updated, so is much less helpful.) This takes you to gravesfa.org/charts.php. Note also that whenever the column at the far right of that page contains a Yes, you can click on that link and see additional information such as a list of all the genealogies that are part of the same group and sometimes additional charts.

Objectives of the Study for Group R1-083

· Find or verify the placement of testers in each genealogy

· Find how the various genealogies that share a common Graves/Greaves ancestor are connected to each other.

· Learn more about the various parts of the family in England, how the different parts are connected to each other, and as much as possible about their earliest ancestry.

How We Plan to Accomplish These Objectives

We need to find changes in chromosomes that occur over time and that can be measured by genetic testing. These changes are called mutations. The more frequently they occur, the more helpful they are. Also, the only way we can know that a mutation has occurred is to have multiple tests of the same areas within chromosomes to compare to each other, which is the reason we constantly try to get more people to test. The types of tests we will be using include the following. Of these, the first two are the easiest to use and have been the most helpful so far.

o Y-DNA tests measuring markers called STRs (short tandem repeats). These occur very frequently, but are much less stable than SNPs.

o Y-DNA tests like Big Y that measure SNPs (single nucleotide polymorphisms). These are very stable and are believed to seldom if ever change again.

o Autosomal DNA tests like Family Finder, and the tests from Ancestry.com. We plan to use these also, but exactly how we do that still needs to be planned.

o Mitochondrial DNA to trace female ancestry.

Y-DNA Group

No. of Testers

Genealogies Tested

Other Genealogies Needing Testing, Possibly in R1-083

R1-083

Graves of Lincolnshire & Lynn, MA

(Plus 1 Willis)

In R1-083: 83, 428, 457, 967

In R1-018: 797, 980

60, 117, 136, 213, 254, 255, 317, 340, 348, 393, 404, 521, 584, 608, 847, 869, 939, 976, 977, 981

Parts of the Graves Families of Lincolnshire Presently Being Investigated

PROVEN TO BE PART OF R1-083

Gen. No.	Genealogy Name	Earliest Birth Date	Y-DNA Test (STRs)	Big Y Test (SNPs)	Y-DNA Chart
83	Samuel Graves of Lynn, MA	1595	11	4	DNAchart83.pdf DNAchartR1-083.pdf
428	William Graves and Hannah Ingle of Lincs.	1788	1		chart428.pdf chart428-393.pdf Appears to be part of gen. 393
457	Samuel Graves of Bristol Co., MA	1735	1		none
967	Thomas Graves and Christiana Rose of Benniworth, Lincs.	1732	1		chart967.pdf

PROVEN OR PROBABLY PART OF R1-018

Gen. No.

Genealogy Name

Earliest Birth Date

Y-DNA Test (STRs)

Big Y Test (SNPs)

Y-DNA Chart

797

John Graves and Susanna Tyson of Gayton le Marsh, Lincs.

1766

May include gen. 980. If so, might belong in R1-018.

980

Edward Graves and Susan ‑‑‑‑‑‑ of South Ormsby and Aby, Lincs.

1795

May be part of gen. 797

Descended from R1-018, not R1-083.

UNKNOWN ANCESTRY (NO Y-DNA TEST)

Gen. No.	Genealogy Name	Earliest Birth Date	Y-DNA Test (STRs)	Big Y Test (SNPs)	Y-DNA Chart
254	John Graves and Elizabeth Scrimshaw of Lincs.	1790			No male descendants
255	George Graves and Elizabeth Schrimshaw of Crowle, Lincs.	1770			May not have any male descendants.
317	Robert Graves and Elizabeth ‑‑‑‑‑‑ of Billinghay, Lincs.	1700			May be part of gen. 393 (which might make it part of R1-083)
340	William Graves and Sarah Whitworth of Strubby, Lincs.	1731
393	Joseph Graves and Anne ‑‑‑‑‑‑ of Lincs.	1660			May include gen. 317 & gen. 428 (which would make it part of R1-083)
404	William Graves and Rebecca Barber of Saltfleetby, near Louth, Lincs.	1775
521	Michael Graves and Jane ‑‑‑‑‑‑ of Louth, Lincs.	1770
584	William Graves and Ann ‑‑‑‑‑‑ of Laceby, Lincs.	1800
608	George Graves and Charlotte Webster of Lincs.	1808
847	William Graves and Mary ‑‑‑‑‑‑ of South Kyme, Lincs.	1775
869	Anthony Graves and Mary Crashley of Lincs.	1729
939	Phillip Graves of Walkeringham, Lincs. (or Notts.)	1640
976	Edward Graves, Mary Sanderson & Ann ‑‑‑‑‑‑ of Lincs., near Louth	1788
977	Thomas Graves and Eleanor ‑‑‑‑‑‑ of near Louth, Lincs.	1810
981	Robert Graves and Margaret Hall of Thorne, Yorkshire & Crowle, Lincs.	1705

INDICATION OF POSSIBLE ANCESTRY

One clue to the ancestry of various parts of the Graves families is where they lived. The Graves families of R1-018 that have been found so far seem to be centered around Louth, and possibly farther north in Laceby, Lincs. The families of R1-083 seem to be more apt to be centered around the Sleaford and Boston area. This is just a general observation that can’t be used as anything close to proof, but may be a helpful guide. Since the total distance between Louth and Sleaford is only about 35 miles, migration one direction or the other would be very easy.

A list of places in Lincolnshire (arranged geographically from north to south), with the Graves genealogies in Lincolnshire associated with them at some time, is below.

PLACE	GENEALOGIES
Crowle	255, 869, 981
Laceby	404, 584 (maybe R1-018)
Ormsby	608, 980 (probably R1-018)
Louth	340, 393, 404, 521, 584, 608, 797, 869, 967, 976, 977, 980
Benniworth	967
Strubby	340
Bolingbroke	254, 340
Billinghay	317, 340, 847 (probably R1-083)
North Kyme	847 (probably R1-083)
Sleaford	317, 393, 428, 584, 967 (probably R1-083)
Kirton	340 ??

OBSERVATIONS AND WHAT IS NEDED FOR R1-083

· There are only 5 Big Y tests for this group, and 4 of those 5 are for gen. 83. We need for those from other genealogies in this group to take Big Y.

· Two of those 5 Big Y tests are Big Y500 and need to be upgraded to Big Y700.

· All 5 Big Y tests so far have the same terminal SNP. As we get more people taking Big Y, we should begin seeing some differentiation (although that isn’t certain, based on other similar situations).

· There seems to be a group of testers with the Willis and perhaps a couple other surnames who are descended from a family in Kent Co., MD in the early 1800s or before. They may be Graves descendants.

· We have testers from at least 3 families in Lincolnshire. Two of those (gen. 428 and 967) are a match with genealogy 83, but gen. 980 matches R1-018 instead. We need more people from the various parts of the family in Lincolnshire to be tested.

· Since the mutations of STRs (short tandem repeats) as tested by the traditional Y-DNA tests are the main way we can compare test results to see how closely people are related to each other, the more detail we have in those results, the better the match will be. That means that it will be very helpful for all those who have tested at 25, 37, or 67 markers should upgrade to 11 markers and even better to Big Y700 (which provides not only the standard 111 markers, but also an extended set beyond that).

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