A Free, Occasional, Online Summary of Items of Interest to Descendants of all Families of Graves, Greaves, Grieves, Grave, and other spelling variations Worldwide


Vol. 5, No. 1, Jan. 22, 2002




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**John Graves of Concord Book

**DNA Analysis Project

**Next Steps in the DNA Study

**Financial Help Still Needed for DNA Project

**Website Enhancements

**To Submit Material to this Bulletin & Other Things






As mentioned in the bulletin of mid-December, the manuscript for the John Graves of Concord, MA book is now at the printer.The date they have given me for completion is late February, but I figure early March is more likely (by the time they ship the books to me and I get them sent out to those of you who have ordered them).Extra books are being printed, so copies can still be ordered at $75, which includes shipping.The book is in two volumes, slightly over 1700 total pages, with many pictures, and a complete name and place index.






We have received more test results from our testing lab, Family Tree DNA.A total of 71 samples have now been analyzed and the results posted on the website.


To look at the results summary and the preliminary conclusions, you can go to the website at and click on the DNA link at the top of the page.Or you can go directly to that specific page at


A summary of the most important preliminary conclusions:

** The families of John Graves of Concord, MA, Rear Adm. Thomas Graves of Charlestown, MA, John Greaves of St. Maryís Co., MA, the most of the families of Randolph Co., NC & Blount Co., AL, and others are all related.This does not necessarily mean that they are descended from each other, but only that they have a common ancestor.The 9-marker supplemental test will probably give us a much better idea of the exact relationships between these families.

** The descendants of Capt. Thomas Graves of VA seem to fall into 2 separate groups.One is part of the group mentioned above, that includes John Graves of Concord.The other is related to John Graves of Frederick Co., VA.Although we donít yet know for sure, it seems unlikely that both these groups of descendants are really descended from Capt. Thomas Graves.As we get more participants from the Capt. Thomas Graves family and from other related families, and as we get all 21 markers analyzed, we should get the answer to this surprising result.It is my suspicion that the southern families in the large group that includes John Graves of Concord may be related to each other in America but may not be related to the northern families there; the common ancestry may be back in England.

** Humphrey Isaac Greaves of NC, Thomas Graves of NC & Maury Co., TN, and Thomas Graves of OH & DE are all related, and may all be descended from the Quaker family of Thomas Graves of New Castle Co., DE.

** The first group of Capt. Thomas Graves descendants, related to John Graves of Frederick Co., VA, are also related to a Graves family of Lancashire, England, and to Thomas Graves of Cambridgeshire, England.

** It appears (with too few samples) that Deacon George Graves of Hartford, CT is closely related to Thomas Graves of Hartford, CT (not to John Graves of Concord, MA as was once conjectured).

** The Greaves family of Macclesfield, Cheshire, England (believed to descend from the Greaves family of Beeley, Derbyshire) is closely related to Rear Adm. Thomas Graves of Charlestown, MA and the Greaves family of Stepney, London, England.






As mentioned in December, Family Tree DNA has now increased the number of Y-DNA markers they can test for from 12 to 21.This means that it will now be possible to distinguish between samples that match on 12 of 12 (or even 11 of 12) markers, and more precisely determine the most recent common ancestor.Because the University of Arizona (that does the testing for Family Tree DNA) preserves DNA samples, there is no need to resubmit an already-submitted sample to get the additional 9 markers tested.There is an additional cost of $49.This test will probably be of value to almost everyone in the DNA Study.As with the previous testing, if you want to add the supplemental test, please let me know and send me a check for $49 payable to Kenneth V. Graves.New participants donít need to pay until you return your samples.


If you have not yet returned your DNA samples, PLEASE do so as soon as possible.


Other families still need to be included in the study.There is a list of families participating in the DNA study on the GFA website.There is also a list of some of the families that we would like to see added to the list.Even if you canít participate yourself (for instance, because you are a female or not descended through an all-male line), we still need your help.Maybe you can help sponsor or encourage a male descendant.Remember, because of the requirements of the Y-DNA test, participants must be males with the Graves/Greaves/etc. surname.Cost for the basic test is $199 and the supplemental test is $49 (for a total of $248 if you get both).Donít let the cost keep you from participating (some or all of the cost may be paid for you).Families needed include:

**Graves Family of Yorkshire and Mickleton Manor, Gloucestershire, England (68)

**Greaves Family of Beeley, Derbyshire, England (228)

**George Graves of Plaistow, England (64)

**Other families of the British Isles, especially including families of Grieve, Grieves, Greve, and other spellings

**Graves families of Netherlands, France and elsewhere

**John Graves (Johann Sebastian Graff) of PA, NC & TN (105)

**Joseph Graves and Rachel Pratt of Framingham, MA (133)

**Richard Graves and Polly Lucy of SC & AR (189)






My thanks again to those of you who have sponsored a family member or contributed money in support of the DNA testing of other family members.I have continued to make up the difference out of my own pocket, but it is becoming more and more difficult.All contributions for this purpose will be much appreciated.It will probably be even more difficult to expect many of the participants from outside the U.S. to contribute the full cost, and getting those family members to be part of the study is very important to our success.






There are plans for several enhancements and additions to the Graves Family Association website.These include:

(1) online payment capabilities, probably using PayPal,

(2) a members-only section (not sure what it should include yet,

(3) the ability to read current and previous issues of the Graves Family Newsletter,

(4) an overall index for the newsletter,

(5) the ability to search all online newsletters and genealogies for a particular name or any other word or phrase,

(6) one-name data such as vital records, census data, etc.,

(7) other items such as pictures of Graves villages, houses, and family members,

(8) implementation of special interest pages, especially for African American and Native American ancestry.We had volunteers for these pages.What happened to them?


I would appreciate any comments and suggestions you have on these or any other possible additions.If you would like to volunteer for any of these items, the procedure would be for you to gather/create the content, send it to me, and I will put it on the site.I have no specific timetable for most of these enhancements.They will be added as time permits and needs dictate.





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